She was already in London, wasn't she? And isn't a Theurge. [He wouldn't put it past his mother to have reached out to a questionable Cliath in a far away megacity. In her desperation.]
There's not that many options, really. I'm not a city kid [ruling out Glass Walkers and Bone Gnawers] not a noble, not a lupus, and European [ruling out Silver Fangs, Red Talons, Uktena and Wendigo] and honestly not particularly interested in people who think that peace and balance is the answer to everything [ruling out Children of Gaia and Stargazers]. I quite frankly don't get why anyone would want to be a Silent Strider, kudos to those who are but I'm not into being haunted.
So that left Shadow Lords, Get of Fenris and Fianna. I'm not shady enough to be a Shadow Lord [it's a bad pun, and not very original, but it gets the point across well] - no offence, one of my packmates is one and he's fine, but their way of life is just not mine. So that leaves the Get and the Fianna and really, a tribe that has shagging as one of their core values... [Rowan can probably infer Sam's issues with that themselves.]
And elimination method aside, [he grins] you gotta appreciate a tribe that understand the value of a good fight. And lets you kick people in the balls until they respect you.
Honestly, in many ways the Black Furies and the Get of Fenris aren't all that different. Just two sides of the same coin. A bit like Glass Walkers and Bone Gnawers, or Silver Fangs and Shadow Lords, just... wait, let me [he digs around his pockets until he can produce a 2 pound coin] okay so like [he holds the coin so that the flat of it is up] if this is Walkers and Gnawers, and this [he holds it so that the flat of it faces Rowan] is Lords and Fangs, then this [and now he holds the coin so that the rim faces Rowan] is Get and Furies.
Huh, I never thought about it that way. I guess you're right, though. [Honestly, Rowan doesn't think an awful lot about the other tribes at all. They knew more about the Get than they did a year ago, but that's such a low bar...]
I'd been putting all the similarities between Sappho and Skyler down to the fact that they're the same auspice.
Two members of the same Auspice will always be more similar than if they weren't, but... [now this is something that he never really thought much about. It was just a part of the whole giant "you are not a Black Fury, you're a Get of Fenris now" thing. But he did start training to be a Black Fury Philodox and then had to start almost from scratch as a Forseti, so...] You know, I've never much thought about how different Forseti and Black Fury Philodoxes are.
[He grins.]
Something to think about. I mean, there are clear differences. And I would have to speak to Philodoxes of other tribes to see how large the difference in approach is compared to the difference from other tribes. But I at least shouldn't have a problem tracking down a Fang to ask about that. ...If they will tell me much is the other question, but that's just one of those things. [It's not a piece of information that he has ever tried to get, so he genuinely doesn't know if they'll be forthcoming about it or not.]
I think it's natural to be curious about what people do in other tribes. I know I never turn down a chance to talk to a galliard from another tribe. But because of where we are we get a lot of people passing through, even if briefly.
I'm pretty sure in my case, my tribe are very much the odd ones out, though. I've never met anyone else who appreciated memes properly.
We don't really get a lot of people passing through.
But then the Sept's about as rural as England gets, probably. [Not nearly as deep in the wilderness as he's used to from the small mountain village that he grew up in, but England generally seems to have very few actually wild areas.]
...memes? [Yeah, that's definitely not a method that he has seen before.]
[Sounds horrible. What do you do in the middle of nowhere? No wonder he needed a break down in London.]
Yeah, you know, like the big brain meme and shit like that. It's fun, gives everyone a good laugh. [They grab their phone and open it up, shifting through only a couple of pictures before they come across a couple from the last time, presenting them to Sam.]
[The only horrible thing about London is the lack of wolf packs belonging to his own tribe to run with. There's Fang wolfkin packs, but they jealously guard them.
He looks at the memes and just... nope, this is not the face of admiration. Sure, he has a chuckle at one of them that really you just need to have met a single ahroun for to understand it, but...] ...this is what you do as a Galliard? Not just... [for fun? Like normal people dicking around on the internet?]
Not just this. We just... appreciate alternative methods. Standing up in front of everyone and bragging ain't always the best way to get the message round, y'know?
[He just... will not comment further on that. Not that he minds memes, they just should stay on the internet. They're just not how a Galliard's job should be done. It's not taking things seriously. But then, what do you expect from a Glass Walker?
He throws a look over at Skyler.] How did Skyler actually end up with you?
Someone pointed him our way, and it worked out pretty well for us since Sappho had only just gone home, so we had a spare room. You know how it is, all roads lead to London and there's only two degrees of separation amongst the gays. [They shrug, grinning.]
[Which is a big part of why he did come to London at all. He doesn't like the giant Weaver pit that it is, and would rather have stayed away, but after Artemis there hadn't really been anyone to talk to who understood ...anything, really. Not that he'd really tried. And he never had spoken to someone from his side of things, so to speak.
To find someone who not just was, and was Garou, but even was of the same tribe had been both awkward and exciting all wrapped in one. He's not sure if the similar age is a net positive or negative, but it certainly figures in.]
But I'm not gay, so that might be why. [Still into women, not gay any more. Some identities are weird. Not that he ever was, if you look at it from one perspective, but he still was, as an identity. And now he's not.
One of the many identities that that leaving Greece was meant to help him leave behind.]
Fair enough. Gender ain't sexuality, so you can never be sure.
Must be weird, though, suddenly leaving that part of your life behind. [Rowan's cheating a little here. Sam isn't the first straight transperson they've met, and they've been told as much before.]
[He blinks, half-surprised that he doesn't have to fight the point, and leans back, his eyes coming to rest on a seat on the other side of the carriage.]
It was.
[He doesn't have to think about that before responding. After a moment, he follows it up with a snort, and elaborates:] Particularly coming from a place where being a gay Garou was significantly more common than being a male Garou. [Sure, there are male Black Furies, but they are so rare they might as well not exist - even those select few men whom Pegasus would accept often decide to leave for other tribes, because being a metis is enough of a disadvantage in any tribe that they don't want to add a second this-sets-you-apart-in-a-negative-way-and-makes-you-an-outsider on top of it. Or that's what he was told by the Fury-born Child of Gaia that he talked to while attempting to figure out which tribe to pick.
Considering himself gay and expecting to become a Black Fury had both gone out of the window for the same reason, if not at exactly the same time, and thus they go very much hand in hand for him. It might be an absolute stereotype that all Black Furies are Angry Lesbians, but the relative density of people for whom at least some of that rang true meant that considering himself a butch Lesbian had never been a problematic identity for him. Really quite the opposite.
He grins, attempting to further the levity of the statement:] My dating life has never been the same.
Eh, I'm sure you don't have that many issues. [He's pretty attractive, after all - from an objective point of view of course.] You just need to find your niche again.
[There's many things that he could answer to that. Some that come to his tongue faster than others.
In the end, he shrugs and instead states a simple fact.] I haven't dated, or attempted to do so, since I left Greece. [Before that, strictly speaking, but it's the easiest and least painful way of putting it.]
[The question, quite honestly, baffles him a bit. It just seems so obvious to him that he wouldn't have - even if he wasn't a bit stumped by how to pick up girls as a guy, there's the whole 1. no Garou, because duh, 2. kinfolk? we just don't know 3. relationships with non-kin are neigh impossible with his level of rage.]
[Not obviously because he's so sure that he would score if he tried. But because if he hasn't tried since to pursue a relationship, obviously he wouldn't have gotten laid, either? The two do go hand in hand, in his mind. Even more so now that things are less self-explanatory.]
[He shrugs his shoulders again, throws a quick glance at Skyler - still mostly passed out - and decides to use the liquid courage that his own still slightly buzzed state provides to push aside the fact that this is not something that he likes to admit to. At all. And never really has to - usually it's enough to say that he just 'hasn't found the right girl yet' or something along those lines.]
...I don't really enjoy having the kind of conversation that would be necessary for it. So I don't see why I would have it for just one night. [And as much as he appreciates that as a Garou he has the option to challenge for the right use of pronouns and similar things, and rank to pull over Kinfolk, he's dealt with that. It's done. He doesn't want to wake sleeping dogs without very good reason. And just wanting to fuck isn't one. He didn't pick the Fianna for a reason. If he has to face the physicality and gender topic for reasons of sex, he wants to do it for someone who has good chances of becoming a long-term partner and only after that option has become clear.]
That's why I do all of my fucking around in gay bars. [They shrug then.] But I guess that's easier for me, 'cos I ain't straight. People can still be cunts about it stuff not matching to what they expect, but there tend to be less of them.
[They scratch their cheek, thinking.] There's a trans night at the admiral every other Friday. You wanna come?
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There's not that many options, really. I'm not a city kid [ruling out Glass Walkers and Bone Gnawers] not a noble, not a lupus, and European [ruling out Silver Fangs, Red Talons, Uktena and Wendigo] and honestly not particularly interested in people who think that peace and balance is the answer to everything [ruling out Children of Gaia and Stargazers]. I quite frankly don't get why anyone would want to be a Silent Strider, kudos to those who are but I'm not into being haunted.
So that left Shadow Lords, Get of Fenris and Fianna. I'm not shady enough to be a Shadow Lord [it's a bad pun, and not very original, but it gets the point across well] - no offence, one of my packmates is one and he's fine, but their way of life is just not mine. So that leaves the Get and the Fianna and really, a tribe that has shagging as one of their core values... [Rowan can probably infer Sam's issues with that themselves.]
And elimination method aside, [he grins] you gotta appreciate a tribe that understand the value of a good fight. And lets you kick people in the balls until they respect you.
Honestly, in many ways the Black Furies and the Get of Fenris aren't all that different. Just two sides of the same coin. A bit like Glass Walkers and Bone Gnawers, or Silver Fangs and Shadow Lords, just... wait, let me [he digs around his pockets until he can produce a 2 pound coin] okay so like [he holds the coin so that the flat of it is up] if this is Walkers and Gnawers, and this [he holds it so that the flat of it faces Rowan] is Lords and Fangs, then this [and now he holds the coin so that the rim faces Rowan] is Get and Furies.
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I'd been putting all the similarities between Sappho and Skyler down to the fact that they're the same auspice.
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[He grins.]
Something to think about. I mean, there are clear differences. And I would have to speak to Philodoxes of other tribes to see how large the difference in approach is compared to the difference from other tribes. But I at least shouldn't have a problem tracking down a Fang to ask about that. ...If they will tell me much is the other question, but that's just one of those things. [It's not a piece of information that he has ever tried to get, so he genuinely doesn't know if they'll be forthcoming about it or not.]
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I'm pretty sure in my case, my tribe are very much the odd ones out, though. I've never met anyone else who appreciated memes properly.
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But then the Sept's about as rural as England gets, probably. [Not nearly as deep in the wilderness as he's used to from the small mountain village that he grew up in, but England generally seems to have very few actually wild areas.]
...memes? [Yeah, that's definitely not a method that he has seen before.]
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Yeah, you know, like the big brain meme and shit like that. It's fun, gives everyone a good laugh. [They grab their phone and open it up, shifting through only a couple of pictures before they come across a couple from the last time, presenting them to Sam.]
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He looks at the memes and just... nope, this is not the face of admiration. Sure, he has a chuckle at one of them that really you just need to have met a single ahroun for to understand it, but...] ...this is what you do as a Galliard? Not just... [for fun? Like normal people dicking around on the internet?]
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...If you think that bragging is all a Skald or any other traditional Galliard does, you really need to get out more and see other people's methods.
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[He just... will not comment further on that. Not that he minds memes, they just should stay on the internet. They're just not how a Galliard's job should be done. It's not taking things seriously. But then, what do you expect from a Glass Walker?
He throws a look over at Skyler.] How did Skyler actually end up with you?
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[Which is a big part of why he did come to London at all. He doesn't like the giant Weaver pit that it is, and would rather have stayed away, but after Artemis there hadn't really been anyone to talk to who understood ...anything, really. Not that he'd really tried. And he never had spoken to someone from his side of things, so to speak.
To find someone who not just was, and was Garou, but even was of the same tribe had been both awkward and exciting all wrapped in one. He's not sure if the similar age is a net positive or negative, but it certainly figures in.]
But I'm not gay, so that might be why. [Still into women, not gay any more. Some identities are weird. Not that he ever was, if you look at it from one perspective, but he still was, as an identity. And now he's not.
One of the many identities that that leaving Greece was meant to help him leave behind.]
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Must be weird, though, suddenly leaving that part of your life behind. [Rowan's cheating a little here. Sam isn't the first straight transperson they've met, and they've been told as much before.]
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It was.
[He doesn't have to think about that before responding. After a moment, he follows it up with a snort, and elaborates:] Particularly coming from a place where being a gay Garou was significantly more common than being a male Garou. [Sure, there are male Black Furies, but they are so rare they might as well not exist - even those select few men whom Pegasus would accept often decide to leave for other tribes, because being a metis is enough of a disadvantage in any tribe that they don't want to add a second this-sets-you-apart-in-a-negative-way-and-makes-you-an-outsider on top of it. Or that's what he was told by the Fury-born Child of Gaia that he talked to while attempting to figure out which tribe to pick.
Considering himself gay and expecting to become a Black Fury had both gone out of the window for the same reason, if not at exactly the same time, and thus they go very much hand in hand for him. It might be an absolute stereotype that all Black Furies are Angry Lesbians, but the relative density of people for whom at least some of that rang true meant that considering himself a butch Lesbian had never been a problematic identity for him. Really quite the opposite.
He grins, attempting to further the levity of the statement:] My dating life has never been the same.
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In the end, he shrugs and instead states a simple fact.] I haven't dated, or attempted to do so, since I left Greece. [Before that, strictly speaking, but it's the easiest and least painful way of putting it.]
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But you’ve gotten laid since?
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[The question, quite honestly, baffles him a bit. It just seems so obvious to him that he wouldn't have - even if he wasn't a bit stumped by how to pick up girls as a guy, there's the whole 1. no Garou, because duh, 2. kinfolk? we just don't know 3. relationships with non-kin are neigh impossible with his level of rage.]
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But then again, Rowan's in an extremely lucky position compared to the other two, having had surgery before they changed.]
Have you tried?
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[Not obviously because he's so sure that he would score if he tried. But because if he hasn't tried since to pursue a relationship, obviously he wouldn't have gotten laid, either? The two do go hand in hand, in his mind. Even more so now that things are less self-explanatory.]
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...I don't really enjoy having the kind of conversation that would be necessary for it. So I don't see why I would have it for just one night. [And as much as he appreciates that as a Garou he has the option to challenge for the right use of pronouns and similar things, and rank to pull over Kinfolk, he's dealt with that. It's done. He doesn't want to wake sleeping dogs without very good reason. And just wanting to fuck isn't one. He didn't pick the Fianna for a reason. If he has to face the physicality and gender topic for reasons of sex, he wants to do it for someone who has good chances of becoming a long-term partner and only after that option has become clear.]
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[They scratch their cheek, thinking.] There's a trans night at the admiral every other Friday. You wanna come?
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